THERE has been no global warming for 15 years,

Observer what do you think Katrina, the sunami & the quake in Hati were? Global warming AKA climate change. Why ignore years evidence & rescearch except one that coincides with conservatives beliefs? Look at the weather patterns in your own back yard for the past 10 years if further evidence proving climate change is needed. My point is; had Al Gore been a republican I know there would be no arguement from the right. Seems sad to me because the price of this partisanship is the peril of the health of our planet & thus all of us inhabiting it.

3 votes

#1.1 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:53 AM EST

...and that my friend is the real truth.

2 votes

#1.2 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:56 AM EST

rick-673281

What you think Katrina was because of global warming yea right I have lived down here all my life and since I was born these hurricanes have been coming thru here sometimes Florida. La. Tx etc and whenever they hit populated areas huge damage occurs and you want to blame it on global warming what a joke. I guess the hurricane on Galveston Island in 1900 our worst natural disaster ever was caused by global warming. Try and blame hurricanes on global warming when they have been hitting the Gulf coast for centuries. Those landing today are no worse then those before. The main person involved in the hoax has even admitted no warming has occured in over 25 years and you still go along with his bs and you mention hurricanes that have been taking place for centuries. They are not new to the Gulf Coast and they arent any worse now either.

7 votes

#1.3 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:57 AM EST

#1. The damage was worse in 1900 because there was no hurricane building codes.

#2. Haiti is our equivalent to Pompeii, very noticeable that it is not mentioned in your argument.

#3. New York Christmas day early 1990's 65 degrees- why?

#4 2009-2010 Florida record lows-why?

#5 Lowest temps in Alligator alley now-Why?

#6. Why not assume climate change is real, in case we are right & you are wrong...either way you help the planet.

2 votes

#1.4 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:47 PM EST

Polar bears Losing Habitat Due to Global Warming

SH, how does one know what to believe these days, now that we have discovered that global warming advocates have been lying to us all this time?

You want to look at weather evidence from the past 100 years, yet I think I can safely assume that you believe the Earth to be millions of years old...right? So how can we assume anything about the past 100 years, when it is such a small fraction of Earth's history?

The "so called science" of global warming is being proven to be nothing more than fear mongering by a select few, in an attempt to create wealth for a select few. So what is wrong with taking a step back at this point and having an honest and open debate on the subject? Why are so many afraid of this? How can so many still be willing to dive head first into this, knowing that the water has been drained out of the pool?

Real science does not reach conclusions, and then select and twist data to suit their conclusion, and yet this is exactly what global warming science has done! To declare it settled and to proclaim that the debate is over, is only their attempt to prevent the scam they created from being exposed.........only now the cat is already out of the bag.

7 votes

#1.5 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:59 PM EST

midgebaker

Do you believe your own eyes?

2 votes

#1.6 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:31 PM EST

mike from wisc

The funny thing is people see this crap on tv and believe. I hunt every year in arctic canada and alaska. I see more polar bears now than ever before. I have asked mosts locals I see, They say the same. Anyone can make a bs video to promte thier cause.

7 votes

#1.7 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:37 PM EST

John-614398

The Hoax deniers will die of hypothermia with the belief that it was caused by global warming. There is really no hope for these people. Thankfully it's a small but admittedly vocal group of gullible folks and the truth will prevail.

4 votes

#1.8 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:43 PM EST

Try doing a little research on where that photo came from in the first place, and how old it is. This is not a picture of a polar bear desperately trying to hang on, this is a picture taken back in the 1980's by a polar explorer, of a couple of polar bear cubs playing on the ice caps near the waters edge. This photo is another example of how much of a fraud this all is, as people seem willing to continue to spread lies and deception to desperately hang on to a belief they were sold by a group people who have claimed for years that the debate is over, when the truth is the debate has never happened.

5 votes

#1.9 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:01 PM EST

The Observer

You guys can speculate all you want, but the FACT is THERE has been no global warming for 15 years.

4 votes

#1.10 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:44 PM EST

And again I ask you why are those findings correct rather than the infinite others that disagree?

You've ingnored science all along but this you will agree with because it is ONE (onlu one) finding that matches your opinion.

2 votes

#1.11 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:41 PM EST

formermormon

SH-2000,

So, earthquakes are caused by global warming now? Did you seriously make that claim? Do you have any idea what an earthquake is? I think you are in over your head here...

2 votes

#1.12 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:16 PM EST

FM, I think that denying the overwhelming scientific evidence regarding climate change speaks more of you than I.

Observer, I'll ask a third time:

why are those findings correct rather than the infinite others that disagree?

It's seems your arguement has run dry. FM thinks he knows better than the scientists, why don't you answer the question for Observer...

2 votes

#1.13 - Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:31 PM EST

FM,

I also must add that I find it ironic that you mock me for believing in decades scientific evidence proving climate change; yet as I glanced at you column I can see you are a believer in religion aka the unprovable something that requires only faith...lol; you of all people should not throw stones. Question, what would it hut out of respect for your GOD only & their creation/the planet you happen to inhabit to assume that climate change is real & do something to support the cause in stead of mocking peoples good intentions...think a bit.

3 votes

#1.14 - Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:43 PM EST

You see how far this has gone. The hockey stick guy himself is openly admitting that he made this stuff up and the lies and deception are being exposed daily about how the science isn't real.........and yet there are still people like SH here saying....."I don't care, I still believe anyway"....lol

3 votes

#1.15 - Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:29 PM EST

formermormon

um...SH-2000,

I didn't say anything for or against "global warming" in my post...try reading it again...

I am just baffled that anyone with a third-grade education would try to connect global warming with earthquakes. Have you ever heard of plate tectonics? Are you saying that carbon is somehow making the plates move differently? Even here on Newsvine, the bastion of liberal lemmings, I haven't heard anyone else go that far....good luck with that...

2 votes

#1.16 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:15 AM EST

Obamasized

Observer:

Reminds me of the movie Donnie Brasco. It doesn't matter how many scientists come out and say its b.s., those that bought in won't believe them. Even though they believed them in the first instance. Would rather continue on, knowing its b.s., than admit they have been duped.

Just like the guys Donnie Brasco fooled. At least, in the movie version.

3 votes

#2 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:26 AM EST

The Observer

These scientists weren't duped, they were the dupers!

And duping us brought them FUNDING!

2 votes

#2.1 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:46 PM EST

"Let's put science back in its rightful place".. the trash heap of lying political elitists bastards - the same ilk that imprisoned Galileo because he said the world was round. Working hand in hand with religion and politicians.

All of them used the same flat earth argument all the while knowing they were lying, deleting and changing data.

Every science special of the last 20 years turned into trash.

No wonder we can't explore space, or figure out how to turn on a collider.

The worlds scientists are crap! Not even as smart as farmers printing data in almanacs!

We can’t believe a thing scientists report, I bet they have lied about everything because its easier then doing the work.

Yet with science being put in its rightful place the cool global warming religion members keep going like crazed bible thumpers bent on converting the world even if they have to take the Muslim track of taking over by force.

get un-bias folks follow the facts, and honestly review the FACTS.

2 votes

#3 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST

Handyman-1506910

I guess somebody needs to get this message to the Robins, Swallows, Barn Owls, Red Fox, Grizzly Bear, Salmon, etc. now moving into the Arctic that they are wrong. They must have been persuaded by unethical scientists or a corrupt government. I will get this message to my Inuit Friends living in the Arctic and have them tell the animals to go back where they came from - it's all a hoax.

3 votes

#4 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:06 PM EST

Yep that’s the problem, some untrained person makes an observation in a bubble then we all have to believe it.

I got a tan in my backyard in February, must be global warming....

I see birds flocking to McDonald’s “must be coming to McDonald’s because their running out of food”.. NO its easier to hunt French fries

Maybe the bears are coming closer to get the extra food the Indians are leaving out, heck they have a fat problem up there too.

I used to tell my kids twenty “Some Kid Said” so therefore it must be true - hint I was giving them a sarcastic phrase we still use today.

“Some Inuit Said”, (Eskimos) for the rest of us.

That’s not science.

But the global warming religion folks can’t let go it’s like that’s all they have to believe in.

JHC global warming believers, your own science Gods are coming clean after being caught. Do you know how stupid it makes you look?

Facts and science not “some kid said”

3 votes

#4.1 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:21 PM EST

WhyIt

Just because it's natural doesn't mean it won't be devastating.

3 votes

#5 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:47 PM EST

because it’s natural could mean that it’s better!

Heck this world’s “Cambrian explosion” was the most beneficial to life in its four billion year history. And the “supposed” levels of poison gasses and wild climate swings (pre suv) seemed to be a wonderful thing for life forms.

a 50 degree increase in temperature would open up so much land, more than what’s available now that you could walk for months an probably not see another Inuit.

the cloud cover would create gigantic rain forest jungles like when the dinosaurs walked the earth.

And to throw a bone to the bible thumpers out there.. This Earth must have been way hotter if humans were designed to walk around naked eating and screwing. And that means naked Anywhere on its surface

#6 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:20 PM EST

nyghtshayde

a 50 degree increase in temperature would open up so much land,

Because it would kill most life on the planet,I hope that is not an indicator of your knowledge on climate.

4 votes

#6.1 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:48 PM EST

http://arcticfocus.com/2010/02/15/arctic-ice-melt-affecting-weather-wildlife-study-finds/

>>Because it would kill most life on the planet,I hope that is not an indicator of your knowledge on climate

as opposed to WHO? the real scientists have admitted they don't know either. the difference is you know I'm only speculating while your High Priests lied and cheated and got caught.

Just think had the high priests of climate change not been caught they still would be lying to their flocks!

3 votes

#6.2 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:22 PM EST

Handyman-1506910

dave661

Feb 15th, 2009 News Flash - Former warming skeptic David Barber now says the Arctic is getting warmer based on 2009 study involving 300 scientists from 27 countries.

1 vote

#6.3 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:39 PM EST

Handyman-1506910

Make that Feb. 15th, 2010 News Flash - excuse me!!

1 vote

#6.4 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:47 PM EST

David Boddie

It won't matter what facts or data you supply, Handyman, now that one study has been "debunked", to them all the scientific climate data is "fabricated". Even if it were the same scientists that put us on the moon making claims, in the denier's heads, all scientists are suspect, and all they want is grant money.

2 votes

#6.5 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST

goldminor

The talk about all the grant money being misspent is off the mark. The information on earth sciences is valuable and much needed for the long run. The sum spent isn't all that large in comparison to overall expenditures in most areas of our economy. The debate between the two sides will be beneficial in the long term. Most people on both sides would agree that we need to clean up our harmful interactions with our enviroment. The main question is how to proceed in that direction, without severely impacting the society we have built up over these last centuries. The Earth is probably much more resilient than we are as a society.

1 vote

#6.6 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:53 PM EST

Ok, lets say the science is correct and the plant is warming, the ozone hole is getting bigger and we are doomed. And lets say everybody agreed and we outlawed Co2 tomorrow. Can any of you tell me what effect that would have on any of this?

Consider the fact that a single volcano eruption emits more Co2 than all the cars and trucks have throughout the history of the automobile, what can we do about that? A giant stopper maybe?

4 votes

#6.7 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:51 PM EST

goldminor

Personally, I think that if global warming due to CO2 is absolutely correct, then we are indeed doomed. CO2 stays in the atmosphere for a century or so before leaching out and there is no way to stop using fossil fuels at this time. Add in China and India, the new world leaders in emissions and the game is up. Some of the current info on the atmosphere does leave room for hope that this potential problem is overstated. Then there is the fact that the Earth,s natural cooling cycle should have started several thousand years ago. Maybe the last 7 years of slight cooling is because we have reached the peak and are now starting to the downhill side. The cycle is 26k years. The ice age broke up 12k years ago approximately. The cycle should be well on it,s way into a downward trend. But how long will it be, before we can know for sure? Then we will be scrambling around crying global cooling. A really big volcano could get us there in a hurry. Then Gore can turn around and sell us 'snowball credits'.

2 votes

#6.8 - Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:03 AM EST

John-614398

These scientist voluntarily gave up their right to use the title of researcher when the crossed the line to activist. That is what they did when they had a theory and tried to generate data to support it. Had they collected data and checked it twice to make sure that is was sound and then examined it to see what story it told, then they would have been scientist.

5 votes

#7 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:49 PM EST

demo scout

Observer, did I miss it? Did you come up with an explanation for why icebergs the size of states are breaking off the Antarctic shelf and it is diminishing like never before in recorded history? Did you explain why the land bridge between Asia and North America is now becoming exposed after lying under ice for thousands of years and countries are trying to lay claim to the exposed land for mineral rights? Did you explain why frozen tundra all over the world is melting and releasing volatile methane that could create a hazard of atmospheric explosions? Did you explain why glaciers in the Himalayas and in North America are visibly retreating at an unprecedented rate? Are all of these just temporary phenomena that will go away if we just wait patiently? If your answer is yes, we had better all pray you are right. Frankly I'd feel better if we tried to do something about it.

3 votes

#8 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:18 PM EST

demo scout

By the way, those things I mentioned above are not data from scientists. They are observations on film and testimony from natives who live where these things are happening.

2 votes

#9 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:23 PM EST

demo scout

I am a little disgusted with people who can't face inconvenient and unpleasant reality and with people who put personal financial gain ahead of the safety of the world population. I don't know if we can defeat such mental laziness and moral deficiency on a world wide basis, but we surely need to try.

The only example of obliviousness that is worse than the climate change deniers is the obtuseness of the Italians who live around Vesuvius, which is still highly likely to produce another Pompei like explosion which would in a matter of minutes engulf a couple of million people with instant death from a monstrous flow of ash at over 800 degrees. Instead of relocating the best they can they are continuing to develope the area even closer to the slopes of the volcano. Between the greed of the land developers and the "ce serat" attitude of the Neopolitans there is a strong likelihood that the world will witness an unprecedented disaster there, and it could bring down the entire nation of Italy in its wake.

5 votes

#10 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:34 PM EST

I don't know if we can defeat such mental laziness and moral deficiency on a world wide basis

I got an idea. Why not create a bunch of false science based on lies and deception, and then before anybody can examine it, declare the debate over........and after the lies and deceptions are uncovered and the science is proven to be bunk, just continue to call those who question it names and hurl insults at them.......that's gotta work.

2 votes

#10.1 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:55 PM EST